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much more. what's goin ? >> we're expecting to hear all of the details tomorrow, not today, even though the national security adviser john bolton is giving a press conference today. we don't know what exactly he'll say about the summit. that's something that we'll be watching, but we know that this has been in the works for a long time. there are a couple of possibilities that we are hearing, and one that could be july 10th, before the president goes to the nato summit and meets with some of the u.s.' closest allies and that's raising some eyebrows among those allies wondering why he wants to sit down with putin first, but it could be a scheduling issue because the world cup is also going on in russia, but another possibility is just after the nato summit. we think that there's a strong likelihood he'll be in helsinki finland and not in vienna which will also be floated. we know the u.s. prefers helsinki according to our sources and it could be convenient just because the flying time will be shorter so
that the president can then go on to nato and it will be a quick trip for vladimir putin, as well and we know that there are people within the state department and the white house who aren't really sure what could come out of a trump-putin summit. >> what the goal would be other than a meet and greet, but these sources say it's the president who has been pushing for this and part of that is because he loves the attention from the summit he had with kim jong-un and he wants a similar eyes of the worldent and to try to further this relationship. i will say that the john bolton meeting with putin is interesting today because he's been so tough on russia in the past calling for stronger punishments, calling russian meddling in the election an act of war. so there could be a good cop/bad cop thing going on here where he lays the groundwork so that the relationship can improve once putin and trump, we expect, do sit down together.
and any -- i mean, this has been long discussed. what is the sense from nato allies that you're hearing? what are young from other diplomats on this? they have a lot to say about this. first of all, there's concern and there has been for the last few days that he's going to first sit down with putin before going on to if that is the way this is scheduled out. although we know that the white house could frame this, as well. he wanted to meet with putin and see if there could be progress made on a number of tough issues like syria, like ukraine and then he can go on and brief u.s. allies and possibly reassure them, but others are concerned about this saying, look, the g7 did not go well. it was contentious between the u.s. and its closest friends. so one diplomat said if it's all smiles with putin and then all snarls at the nato summit, that sends a very bad message.
>> michelle, what kind of preparations are needed? we know there was a ton of -- i mean, a ton of preparations that was expedited when it came to the summit in singapore. are you hearing behind the g on? scenes? >> there was preparation and there were a lot of meetings leading up to the singapore summit with kim jong-un and expectations had been lowered and lowered and lowered and look what came out, a kind of vague commitment. that indicates that they didn't really feel -- they wanted to have that meeting, not the need to really know what the goals are and like we were saying, there are many within the administration who aren't really sure what could come out of this summit. what would these goals be? it seems that this can further the relationship. let's talk about some of these tough issues and you know, there doesn't have to be something
necessarily find on the line if it can help down the road. >> i mean, there are plenty of people who see that as an opportunity, as well. i think what wrangles some including u.s. allies, trump could giveyhing to pu or putin could walk away from this gaining something. we don't really know what. >> right. >> there could be concessions that he can somehow get in this private meeting and that the optics will be bad, that it looks like trump values this meeting with president putin, the person who meddled in u.s. democracy when things could be con tefrpous and there are tariffs and the trade wars starting between the u.s. and what should be and what normally are its closest allies, kate. >> so much more on this. michelle, thanks so much. really appreciate it. let's get over to senior national correspondent matthew or more perspective this. he's live in moscow.
what are you hearing there, matthew? >> reporter: kate, thanks very much. you join me here at the interfax news offices in the russian capital. within the next hour we expect john bolton to appear at this stage behind me and give a briefing as to the nature of these meetings with sergey lavrov, the russian foreign minister and vladimir putin have been confirmed as has been reported in the past few nutes. a time and a date has been agreed to for this historic summit between putin and president trump. we don't know where it is or where the venue will be, just before they went on air and the meeting will be after the nato summit which is taking place in brussels on the 11th and the 12th of july and it will be taking place in the third country, as well. again, we'll get more clarity on this hopefully within an hour or so when john bolton speaks to
the media and this joint announcement will be made tomorrow after the exact location and the exact timing of this summit case. >> matthew chance, all right. let's see what john bolton has to say and i'm fascinated to see what he's got today. thank you, matthew. also, we are following more breaking news. the supreme court handing down major blows to unions representing public sector employees and the president tweeting about it. saying this, t supreme court rules in favor of non-union workers who are able to support a candidate of his or her choice without having those who control the union deciding for them and for the coffers and the democrats. jessica schneider is outside the supreme court with much more on this. jessica, lay it out for us. what do the justices have to say? >> the supreme court striking down in particular this illinois law that allow public sector unions to collect the so-called fair share fees from all employees, all public sector
employees regardless of the fact if they were members or not. that's a violation of free speech and striking down this illino law and what's important is there are 22 states around the country that have similar laws like this and this does deal a majorlo to these public sector unions and their future, their financial stability. so the court in this case saying that it did violate the free speech of this particular employee. this is a ce brought by mark janus, a pub elect sector employee in illinois and he said i shouldn't be required to pay these fees to the union because it promotes political speech, and saying it only goes to employee issues and the courtsiding with that employee. this is not anti-union. instead thshgs is pro-workers, but of course, the unions have come out forcefully against this
opinion saying that this is going to dilute their power and their strength and their ability to protect workers. this was a 5-4 decision. it was written by justice samuel alito and interestingly, as a few of these cases have been, this is highly contentious and dissenters were quite vo s siferrous. justice elena kagan wrote this as an unusual move as justices very vehemently disagree with the majority ruling and justice kagan said that this dilutes union power. she said there is no sugar coating today's opinion and today's decision will have large-scale consequences for public sector unions. theupreme court ruling that this illinois law that says all employees had to contribute to public sector union, they struck that down, and of course, that will have big effects nation wide because 22 states have
simila laws. >> jessica, an important note, as you'resaying, it is unusual for the dissent to read -- be read from the bench and this has happened two times in two days now. >> right. what's very interesting about this is you notice the change, perhaps in the balance of power here at the court. this term alone, there have been 17ases decided 5-4. so it really shows you just how important that nomination and the appointment of justice neil gorsuch and president trump was. justice gorsuch, perhaps the deciding vote in this because after all, the supreme court back in they decided or they were listening to, at least a similar case that involved the public sector unions and when it came down to it, they were going to go down the same way today, and justice antonin scalia ended up passing away and the decision came down in a 4-4 split and of course, today, neil gorsuch, the
newest justice here siding with the majority and siding with the conservatives and showing how important that nomination by conservative cause here. kate? >> and jessica, always, the rumor game and the guessing game and will there be retirement once the session comes to a close. what are you hearing? there are no retirements at least for now, that was the announcement from chief justice john roberts and today being the last day of the supreme court's term. we understand that chief justice john robert, he actually made a bit of a joke about it. he did announce some retire ams today and those were only from court employees. no justices announcing any retirements, but of course, it is still a possibility. of course, we're keeping an eye on justice anthony kennedy and seeing if he may, in fact, retire, but no announcements
today. today being the last day of the term, but it can still happen. who knows? >> that would be a wild joke to play and we have employees at the supreme court. jessica, thank you so much. i really appreciate it. >> let's talk more about the consequential case that we were discussing with jessica. law professor and american university steve paddock, thanks for coming in. >> great to be with you. >> give me your take. this is a major decision, and a major 5-4 decision overturning nearly 40 years of court precedent in holding that fair share fees violate the first amendment. what does it all mean? >> yeah. i think it's a pretty big blow, kate, to public sector unions especially in those states where the legislators are less supportive of them. it could be much harder for the unions to build strong financial capital and it would be much rder for them to have the economic bargaining power that they've exercised historically.
i think the question is going to be how do state legislatures respond or do they just lea these unions to fend for themselves with a far, far smaller war chest, so to speak. >> i want to get your take, steve, on what jessica was talking about and kind of how dissent was read from the bench twice in two days and kagan, rarely, with so little regard to the usual principles of decisive of precedent and just what we're seeing within the court right w. >> yeah. the real question is that the real story for this term is a series of very important, very sharply divided wins for the conservative majority. we've had 195-4 decisions from the supreme court this term and in 14 of those, including the
bid that we were just discussed in, we saw the conservative prevailing and this is the impoh the justice that replaced anton scalia is all coming home to roost. taken together with the rulings yesterday we're seeing the impact of just one supreme court can do, right? >> whatever was posted of the individual decisions there are larger pictures here is that this is a very comfortable, conservative majority. it is a conservative majority that will have -ins in these case wes business e for example, against employees. that will make it harder, for example, for examples to vindicate contractual rights against employers and the real question that we all have to be asking kate is whether at the state or federal level will
respond to the decisions or if the supreme court will have the last word on all of these decisions that are impacting or that are going to impact everyday americans' lives. >> as of today, this ruling is a big victory for opponents of unions and the trump administration. again today, steve, thanks so much. >> i appciate it, st u for us, the shock wave sent across both parties. the 28-year-old democratic socialist taking down one of the top democrats in the house. what does it mean for the midterms and beyond. plus breaking this morning, the officer who shot and killed an unarmed teenager, antwon rose now charged with criminal homicide. we'll go live to pittsburgh. edge of the box, willingham shoots... goooooooaaaaaaaallllllll! that...was...magic. willingham tucks it in and puts the championship to bed. sweet dreams, nighty night. as long as soccer players celebrate with a slide,
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>> she's right here. [ cheering ] >> she's looking at herself on television right now. how are you feeling? can you put it into words? >> no. i cannot put this into words. >> that is authentic surprise. that is the reaction of now democratic nominee for congress. alexandria ocasio-cortez, when she found out she beat congressman last night. >> we won because we organized. we won because i think we had a very clear, winning message and we took that message to doors that had never been knocked on before. we spoke to communities that had typically been, i think, dismissed and they responded. the democratic party is a big tent and there are so many ways to be a democrat and i am proud to bring to congress, a different lens and what the future of the democratic party
could be. >> what happened and what does it mean for democrats in 2018 th me now david chalian. all right, david. what happened? >> there she was. she's the big star of the night. alexandria ocasio-cortez. this is astonishing and an earthquake in the democratic party because this isn't just generational, which it is. there is aacial component and d crowley is not quite representative of that. exactly. it's also ideological. this is a medicare for all, get rid of i.c.e., progressive, liberal democrat inside the party and she didn't just squeak by. 57% to 42.5%. this is going to be a wake-up call and not just what it means that the number four house democrat is out in the primary for what that means for leadership elections for what the democrats win in november and if you're a 2020 democrat looking at the white house and running in the nomination race
for the democratic nomination, you are taking lessons about where the energy is and where the fire and the passion is inside the democratic party right now and it's right now on the side of the progressive and insurgent grassroots. >> if you are with joe crowley, you have work to do. >> you do, indeed. >> i'm not saying -- this district looks dint than iow and new hampshire, but ihink there are real les here about we've seen this resistance, anti-trump energy and we've seen this new generation of leaders who haven't run before come in and women. this is the year of the woman. another democratic woman emerges as the nominee. that is clearly a response to the president. >> he had okay. >> he gets 54% of the vote through the primary. you know trump justhere and pence was there over the weekend and he was trump's earliest supporter and he had help there. on staten island, the 11th
congressional district. >> he voted with the tax cut. and he endorsed him and michael graham, an ex-convict and that still seems to be some political baggage. >> there is political baggage. this is the second ex-con to lose if youember west virginia. in maryland, ben jealous emerges in maryland and a 10-point victory. bernie sanders came in to help him because he was on the bernie sanders campaign, and then, of course, mitt romney wins his utah big time and of course, it's utah and the republican nominee, mitt romney is probably the one headed to the united states senate. >> i don't know, man. where is the smart money on that? i'm kidding. greatsee you. thank you so much. joining me to piece through it all, and mark preston, alice stewart and angela, and former executive director of the congressional black caus.
all right, angela, democratic leaders in the house wake up this morning saying what? >> um, wow. it's really interesting to read some of the analysis and there's been a lot of comparison, kate, to this particular race with joe crowley and eric cantor, and i beg to differ. this is the beginning of i believe, a wave and this is the beginning of people all over the country saying democrats, you've been a little tone deaf and off message. ax that you would go after maxine waters who has clearly been a spokesperson for the party definitely helping with the millennial surge, you're off message here and the other thing that you have to be aware of is the implications of the supreme court decisions, kate. you just talked about janice, and that's huge. it's a big labor union blow to working americans all over the country and the fact that we have folks legislating from the bench is major and democrats and progressives are going to demand an answer for that. of course, was there a voting rights blow last week and the week before that, and the issue
with the wedding cake and just being moderate and just being safe is no longer enough and unfortunately for folks in democratic leadership, so often they have to toe the state line and that's what they believe and folks say it's not okay to be safe and to hold your tongue, you have to be courageous and speak out for what's right. >> no longer save time, mark preston. one thing we've seen in the past when it comes to a lawmaker facing a surprise defeat is they didn't take their challenger seriously enough early enough, is that what's happening to joe crowley? >> all politics are local and i know we use that term all of the time. >> because it's true. >> let's look at what happened last night here in new york. we saw joe crowley to your point paid very little attention to the race and it was totally caught flat-footed and then look at the environment as angela was
saying. we do have this incredible amount of energy that we're seeing from the progressive left that's driven by the anger and frustration with donald trump, local, look what happened in south carolina last night. henry mcmaster won, okay? but he was forced into a runoff with a nos novice and the reason for that was is because there's a lot of corruption in colombia. and i wouldn't say there's a wave and there is a sentiment blowing across country and we're not just seeing it on the democratic side. >> we've seen the battle between mainstream and grassroots over the years on the right, of course. >> if we're seeing it, what's your advice to them? >> clearly, there is a minority crisis within the democratic party and we're talking about the heir-apparent to nancy pelosi, who has seen much bigger
views and the takeaway is that the democratic party is moving toward the direction of a new generation, a new gender and a new race and that is the wave of the future with regard to how they will, in my view, succeed. look, they need to do exactly what cortez said. she knocked on doors that have been ignored and she had a clearly defined message and she didn't take anything for granted and crowley missed the debate, phoned it in and took it for granted. she didn't do that. she made sure that every stone was turned over and every hand that she could shake was shook and that was important and it was important to have the good message andave the right candidate and make sure in my view that the reforms are key and taking trump voters and harassing them is not t way to go. democrats need to give their voters something to vote for and not just anti-trump. it's something to vote for. >> well, angela, on the flip side of that, the president isn't letting up on his attacks
of maxine waters. he put out another tweet this morning saying congratulations to maxine waters whose crazy rants have made her together with nancy pelosi, the unhinged face of the democratic party. together, they will make america weak again. do his attacks hurt democrats in any way or do you think -- or do you say thank you, mr. president, that's a get out the vote operation? >> i don't think it helps or hurs. people who vote democratic will do that, regardless of what tweets and it has no real lasting effect. i think the reality is what does hurt is the more that people continue to lie or misrepresent what congressman waters said. she did not threaten harassment and she did not threaten harm, but donald trump did. what does not help him and what will help her is when he said watch out, max, those threats and those veiled threats and the
clear demonstrations that he's threatened by women, by people who will hold him accountable and especially black women. he's had a run wckom on twitter. that is not going to help his cause and it will help ours and i think, alice, on your last point about knocking on doors. congresswoman waters in supporting members all over the country has always never taken the little guy and the little gal for granted. she's always made sure that every voice is heard and she represents the people's power and the democratic party has a lot toearn from that, as well. >> for the facts that are here, congresswoman waters did encourage people to go out -- but what's happening is there is a tone and civility in this country that have taken everything to the extreme and i'm not excusing him. he's just as guilty as she is. >> it's not okay to create a false equivalency between donald
trump's messaging and congresswoman maxine waters. he is dishonest and morally corrupt, lacks compassion who doesn't treat the peopl t as global citizens as they deserve to be treated and their tones are completely different and the mischaracterization that she's ever said and everything she's ever worked for. compare her record to his and it is not fair and not honest. >> the confrontation and harassment. >> i do not encourage harassment. no, you know, it's not actually dangerous. what's dangerous is donald trump calling for a violent attack on her because she wants his cabinet to be held accountable for what they're doing. to be holding someone accountable is completely different than harassment. again, i resent the mischaracterization and the misrepresentation of her remarks. >> i think one thing we know for sure is we've reached a point that i don't think this administration and the white
house is qualified for calling for civility. >> there's a thought, kate. i don't disagree. >> with this campaign and where things stand down. >> regardless, it's great to see all of you on this fine day, though. >> mark, alice, angela, thanks. >> coming up for us. a federudge orders the trump administration votes to reunite the ones already separated within 30 days, less for young children and this comes as officials are still struggling to come up with a plan of just how to do it. let's cut through it next.
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immigration bill known as good latteii and equals crime. win. a total about face, and leading me to think you really can't trust what the president believes what he just wrote this morning any more than you can trust he believes what he wrote on friday when he told republicans don't waste your time on an immigration bill. score one for the families at the border. a federal judge in california has ordered the trump administration to halt family separations and to reunite the ones who have already been separated within 30 days. let's get more on this. cnn's sunlen serfaty is live on capitol hill and laura jaret on this ruling coming out of california. laura, what did the judge order?
>> hi there, kate. for days we heard the trump administration say they're still working on implementing the president's new executive order on family reunification, keeping families together at the border, but this judge in california, the judge is saying you need to speed it up. he's set a pretty detailed time line here for children under the age of 4 or i should say 5 years old. he said they have to be reunified within 14 days. children older than 5 have to be reunified within 13 days and all children need to have a telephone call with their parents if they haven't within already within ten days and i can't underscore enough how striking the tone was from this judge. he's a george w. bush appointee, but he say this in part, the facts set forth before the court portray reactive ge, responses to address a chaotic circumstance of the government's own making. they belie measured and ordered
governance which is essential to the concept of due process enshrined in our constitution. the justice department in a statement this morning said this just shows it's even more imperative for congress to act on this situation to keep families together, more permanently, but the question is whether how they will comply with this judge's order and whether they will appeal to the 9th circuit, kate. >> it seems like an answer and it raises so many more questions about how this is all going to happen. thank you, laura. i appreciate it. let's go to capitol hill. sunlen is there. what is the latest today? >> reporter: this bill will be voted on later today in the house and the expectation is still going nowhere fast. it is very likely to fail that vote later today. this, of course, despite the eye-brow raising presidential tweet this morning where he gave the clearest endorsement yet of this compromised measure that the republican leadership backed and this is essentially when
leadership had been waiting for the president to do and on the hill, it honestly came a little too little too late essentially the fact that the outcome is largely already baked into the cake out here and that certainly republican leaders would have wished that president trump would have endorsed this measure earlier in the process, and the fact that it might not be enough to get this bill across the finish line by steve scalise, the house whip up here said we will keep pushing forward and keep trying to make an effort today and not hitting a confident tone there, with the expectation and later today when they moved that vote it will fail and the conversation will then quickly shift to what the plan is for addressing these family separations. >> all before they leave for the july fourth recess which is next week. >> great to see you, sunlen. thank you so much, laura. coming up for us, the officer who shot and killed the
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a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! emboiled in controversy, peter strzok appears before the committee as he was arriving this morning. he sent anti-trump text messages while working on the hillary clinton e-mail investigation and after this all came to light he was then removed from the russia investigation been he has been a constant target of president trump's and his allies. here's from the president just today. it should be shown to the public on live television and there
should be total transparency when it comes to this hearing. cnn senior correspondent manu raju is live on capitol hill with more on this. manu, what's happening? >> reporter: for the first time, kate, that peter strzok has come before congress about the messages he exchanged with lisa page, some decidedly anti-trump messages and the lawmakers will undoubtedly want to hear what provoked him to send the messages as well as things in the i.g. report about whether or not there was uncertainty his decision to focus the russia investigation, rather than re-open the clinton investigation in may 2016 was, quote, free from bias and that question is something that will undoubtedly be explored, but i talked to members on both sides this morning so far and they said he's been cooperative,
is going to be a very long ut day and a lot of questions that need to be answered. the ultimate question is whether or not he provides any additional insight into exactly his role in 2016 and the inspector general report that said that any bias that was stopped by people involved and how that would ultimately affect the outcome that hillary clinton should not be prosecutored based on the fbi recommendation. the democrat who sits on the house oversight committee and has attended all of the five witness interviews that have come before these two panels. he said he has not learned anything new from this investigation so far. >> nothing has come up that would, you know, lead us to believe there was a conspiracy to handle the hillary clinton e-mail investigation in a certain way. i just haven't seen any evidence of that.
>> reporter: so at the same time, there is a big fight among the republicans for the justice department to provide a number of records over to the house as part of the russia and clinton investigation. mark meadows is a congressman who sits on the house oversight committee and has a resolution case that the house will vote on tomorrow that would actually compel the justice department to provide records by july 6th and he told me earlier that if those records are turned over to congress by then and ben rosenstein should be impeached. >> you have a resolution by july 6th and if he does not turn this over, rod rosenstein is a household, and shoul impeach him. >> i think indeed if all of the documents are not complied with by july 6th, providing we vote on that resolution tomorrow which i believe we will do. the speaker, as indicated, will vote on the house floor tomorrow on that resolution and if they're not here by july 6th,
then certainly contempt and impeachment will be in order.>>t the fight is intensifying between house republicans and the justice departm despite peter strzok's agreement to come to testify behind closed doors voluntarily and that's something that donald trump has called for and conservatives have called for. as he told me into the closed-door meeting the public hearing will happen, quote, soon. we'll see when that happens, kate. >> no kidding. manu, a lot going on. thanks. i appreciate it. we're followi more breaking news. the east pittsburgh police officer who shot and killed antwon rose has been charged with criminal homicide. michael rosfeld shot rose last week as rose ran away from a car after a traffic stop. the teenager was unarmed. his death has sparked days of protests across pittsburgh and
beyond. cnn's athena jones is in pittsburgh where the district attorney just released more detail about what all has happened. athena, what have you learned? >> reporter: hi, kate. so much information coming out of this press conference with district attorney stephen zavala that just wrapped up. he wants ask the jury consider all levels of homicide. it is unclear whether this would be first degree, second degree, third degree. he said thevidence supports the third degree and they want to argue for murder in the first degree and the penalty for that is life in prison. the district attorney described officer rosfeld's act as an intentional act, done recklessly, and there was no justification for it. antwon rose did nothing in furtherance of a crime and that is why they would ask they to consider all levels of homicide. stephen zavala said you do not shoot someone in the back if they are not a threat to you. he didn't know exactly how many seconds passed between officer
rosfeld stopping the vehicle and shooting antwon rose, but that it happened very, very quickly and we have new video from the scene and there were questions about the training of this particular officer while he would not get into the past of the police officer, he did say that some of that history left him with concerns and that there was almost no training in the east pittsburgh police department. kate? >> athena, thank you so much. we need to stay close to that. coming up next, 5,000 new judges. president trump has been saying that's what he's asked for for the backlog at the b through these. what is really needed to stem the crisis at the border and what about the 5,000 judges.
the prent has said it over and over again, that he's been asked for 5,000 more judges to handle immigration cases, and he's said he doesn't want them or need them. >> everybody's being made a judge. they want 5,000 judges, more. it's crazy. other countries it's called, i'm sorry, you can't come in, you have to leave. this one we have judges. if they step on our land, we have judges. it's insane. so we're g tohang our whole immigration poli they said sir, we have like to hire about 5,000 or 6,000 more judges. 5,000 or 6,000? can you imagine the graph that must take place. where are you going to find 5,000 people to be judges? how many do we have now? i don't know the number. they don't even know the number, even though they're in charge,
okay? nobody knows. we have thousands of judgeses already. >> now, while there is a lot that we don't know what's going on at the border or the families and the children tha b separate immigration judges there are. 334,ording to the association of immigration judges. and the bill senator ted cruz has been requesting that that number be increased to 750. so let's cut through the noise on this. joining me right now is judge paul schmidt, he was deputy counsel at the naturalization and immigration service and professor of law at georgetown thank you for coming in. >> thank you. i really appreciate it. can the immigration judges handle the cases coming in right now? >> if the administration uses the available process, i think it can be handled with the judges that are on board right
now. it may not be able to be handled the way the president wants to handle it, but i think if we give people fair hearings, yeah, with 300 judges, there's plenty of judges to handle it. you have to remember that this is sort of a self-created crisis. we've had similar ups and downs in immigration and migration over the southern border. this isn't really that unusual. that's what the court in southern district of california said this morning, that the administration had basically created a crisis, and now they couldn't figure out how to get out of it. >> talk to me about the backlog of cases that these judges are faci facing, that you faced as a judge. >> well, 720,000 cases, that's a tremendous backlog. when i -- at the time i retired, i think i retired two years ago, june 2016. i was setting cases probabl in 2021, 2022.
i think judges are still setting some of the cases that far out. so it's not going to be solved overnight. >> judge, that's important, what you just said. how long does an average case, if you give them a fair hearing, howg does the average case take to work through the system? >> it depends on how long the backlog is in a particular location. how long does it take to hear an asylum case? in-court time, three to four hours. but there's a lot of cases stacked up, and there's another problem, i call it reshuffling, which this administration is doing to the max, and that is, since these aren't article three courts controlled by the justice department, as each new administration comes in, they a. and the cases that were at the beginning of the line in the last administration get moved to the end of the line. so that some cases never get done, and everybody keeps
shifting priorities and we never finish the last priority before the new one takes over. >> and you see that happening. >> it's happening right now. i mean, the president's executive order basically ordered a reshuffling of the cases. >> can i ask you real quick, the president says the country doesn't need more judges, it needs more border security. what do you say to that? >> that's absolute poppycock. border security can't provide due process. these aren't economic migrants, as the administration and some of their support falsely say. are individuals who are fleei fleeing for their lives and have a right to a fair determination of asylum. and that's not going to happen from a border patrol officer. >> judge, thank you for your time. >> you're welcome. thank you for having me. >> appreciate it. coming up, how is this for a political disruption? 28-year-old newcomer takes down a ten-term house democrat.
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